The Cyberunions Talk Show Episode 31 & 33 Interview with Peter Waterman on the Cyber unionism

The Cyberunions Talk Show: Episode 33 Return of the … 5th International

by  on JANUARY 30, 2012 · LEAVE A COMMENT · in PODCAST

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0:30 Welcome to the show

  • Walton is away again
  • I am back in Mexico
  • Coordinate group with the Music Manumit

1:47 Book Deal

5:18 Tech Update

8:14 Part two of the Interview

  • Peter Waterman explains his background
  • Interest in Internationalism as communication

11:50 What can unions do

  • Dedicating union staff to communication
  • Let loose on the Internet
  • Incapacity of unions to communicate effectively

15:00 Another kind of world

  • Cyberspace is another kind of reality, like cinema…
  • It is real virtuality
  • New Unionism and Unionbook are attempts, but subversive to top down labor

17:40 Tension between Vertical and Horizontal

  • Trade union conference is not like Occupy
  • Need some forms of coordination instead of top down leadership
  • Move from controlling to influencing things instead

20:15 Unions need to go to school

  • Need to work with the new social movements
  • If unions need a consultant should talk to Michael Moore, He has working class background
  • Need a Labor site dedicated to dialog

23:20 Swarm Theory

  • Light and flexible formal structure, Large long time commitment
  • Occupy Movement is a swarm
  • Worker or Collective articulation connects to swarm

28:00 The 1992 paper

  • People were pissed off at me
  • “‘The 5th international?’ What kind of shit is that?” ~union boss

30:14 Wrap up

  • Peter Waterman’s intro in the beginning
  • See you all next week

The Cyberunions Podcast: Episode 31 The Tech 5th International


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0:31 Welcome to DF – Mexico City

6:50 Interview with Peter Waterman

11:34 Working with Communication Officers

  • Did not want to save computer data
  • Fear of the Boss
  • Actually fear competing trade unions

18:34 A further step

26:23 Low level of technology

  • What is the penetration of Internet Cafés
  • Can’t say trade unions were part of the Arab Spring

33:10 Labor gets outflanked

  • Communication internationalism
  • Network is the way Occupy has developed.
  • Revolutions inside capitalism

35:44 End Part One

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