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0:28 Sparks are flying
- Walton is exhausted from playing futbol
- Sparks have through rank and file thoroughly won and got an unlikely supporter
- The Teamsters Jimmy Hoffa Jr. supported a rank and file movement, but not the Teamsters for a Democratic Union
6:35 Stephen’s part of the world
- Unions are back in the Cyberunions
- Attended a small tech working group with Occupy Coyoacan
- Started with web security discussion and ended with the OS that always forgets itself
- Planned future security and free software options in workshops
9:23 Back to Walton’s world
- Walton returns to his MA in Labor Studies program atRuskin College to give a talk about Cyberunions
- Stephen thinks we need less listeners and proposing Stephen’s MA labor studies programs takes on Walton’s MA program.
10:35 Tech Update
- Stephen keeps secrets from Walton, he’s been learning things and having fun
- We have a Forums section at Cyberunions
- An unexpected quick install of Vanilla Forums
- If you create an account on our Status/Identica sight email mv (a) cyberunions.org
- One can use their Statusnet account as an OpenID to prevent needing multiple accounts for sites
13:28 Debate Commences…I mean we talk about things
- We respond to the leftist critiques of Free Software, inspired by emails
- Left wingers and Right wingers seem to like Free Software
- Walton theorizes that the Right wing likes it cause it tackles the those collecting rent like Bill Gates
- Current of libertarians in the tech sector, rent was left over from feudalism to capitalism
- Capitalism can take advantage of free software, they do it with change in terms to “Open Source”
17:57 An analogy free software is to capitalism as unions are too
- Like a union just cause you have one does not mean you are not working in the capitalist system, cause you are until you take over the means of the production
- Free software is in a position where workers can take the means of production into their own hands
- Organizing in the tech sector is very hard to organize
- Massive online sandbox to experience what the commons are like and we can learn from it and apply to the physical world too
20:57 Skips the moon and mars and boom to Saturn
- GM had a car brand named Saturn in the US
- Production model changed to workers having a voice indesign and working conditions
- Capitalists know that if workers have ownership and involvement they are more productive
- Alienation of your labor still takes place and exploitation still exists
- Tools and methods are there for the workers to take to the next mode of production
- Google is a big exploiter with their 20% time and salary methods as the mode of production is the same
- Free software can be easily changed into a different mode of production
25:33 A new serious of discussions?
- We hit the philosophy discussion and see a future for it in the show
- Free Software could be build a lighter less harsh capitalism, find it slightly progressive, better but not the end goal
- Social Democracy and Neoliberalism are two forms of capitalism
- If it were not for that “Horse” no wait if it weren’t for free software this show would not likely easily exist
- Need to remember that just getting a union is the start, it’s after we have it that the real fight begins
- Same for free software, you have it great, but still need to organize to take over the work place and change the mode of production
29:24 Does dead air exist on the internet?
- Never happened “ummm”… “ahhh” on the show
- Need to return to this discussion
- Stephen doesn’t think people think, we are leaders tell people how to think and we cannot be question
- They can do what they want by sending emails to mv (at) cyberunions.org
30:45 Take out or out take