The Cyberunions Talk Show: Episode 33 Return of the … 5th International
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0:30 Welcome to the show
- Walton is away again
- I am back in Mexico
- Coordinate group with the Music Manumit
1:47 Book Deal
- We are partners with Powells Books
- Allies Across the Border
- United Electrical Workers organized a sit-in
5:18 Tech Update
- My laptop got the white screen of death
- Good support from System76
- Will be doing a Statusnet install with a member of Mayfirst
8:14 Part two of the Interview
- Peter Waterman explains his background
- Interest in Internationalism as communication
11:50 What can unions do
- Dedicating union staff to communication
- Let loose on the Internet
- Incapacity of unions to communicate effectively
15:00 Another kind of world
- Cyberspace is another kind of reality, like cinema…
- It is real virtuality
- New Unionism and Unionbook are attempts, but subversive to top down labor
17:40 Tension between Vertical and Horizontal
- Trade union conference is not like Occupy
- Need some forms of coordination instead of top down leadership
- Move from controlling to influencing things instead
20:15 Unions need to go to school
- Need to work with the new social movements
- If unions need a consultant should talk to Michael Moore, He has working class background
- Need a Labor site dedicated to dialog
23:20 Swarm Theory
- Light and flexible formal structure, Large long time commitment
- Occupy Movement is a swarm
- Worker or Collective articulation connects to swarm
28:00 The 1992 paper
- People were pissed off at me
- “‘The 5th international?’ What kind of shit is that?” ~union boss
30:14 Wrap up
- Peter Waterman’s intro in the beginning
- See you all next week
The Cyberunions Podcast: Episode 31 The Tech 5th International
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0:31 Welcome to DF – Mexico City
- I am not making the announcement
- Mayfirst and Laneta (en español)
- I ran into Occupy Mexico
- In love with Mexico City
6:50 Interview with Peter Waterman
- Where the ideas originate?
- Began working with unions in 1985 ICT
- International Labor Communication by Computer: The 5th International?
11:34 Working with Communication Officers
- Did not want to save computer data
- Fear of the Boss
- Actually fear competing trade unions
18:34 A further step
- Unionbook starts up
- Broadcasting instead of engaging
- Labourstart is not a dialogical site
26:23 Low level of technology
- What is the penetration of Internet Cafés
- Can’t say trade unions were part of the Arab Spring
33:10 Labor gets outflanked
- Communication internationalism
- Network is the way Occupy has developed.
- Revolutions inside capitalism
35:44 End Part One
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